mandela. now i knew him so long ago when he used to do that and people didn't know who he was when he range the doorbell, we would go to these little villages. >> rose: this is what year? >> this was in '92 and '93. >> rose: right. >> so when we stayed in the -- outside of mantata where he built his house we would take these long early morning walks, 4:30, 5:00 a.m. and walk to different villages and people did not know who he was. they thought he was a visiting chief or ahead man, i mean it was just fantastic and he loved that. he couldn't love it more when someone actually didn't recognize him and to bear jerry out i think he is actually better with four years olds than 94-year-olds, he loved children, and he loved holding them and there is that wonderful story that not many people know on the day of his release, february 11th, after he walked through the gates, which we all saw he was supposed to give a speech in the grand parade, the car got lost and he ended up elsewhere and how do we get